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Sending to other countries

I have been getting a lot of negative replies lately to "ask me" on requests for books from abroad. In one request to someone in the U.S. I even suggested that the book could be sent to an address in New York, but is was refused just the same. I think it would be useful if people, in addition to writing "ask me first" would also indicate, perhaps in the notes, "will only send within Europe (or Asia or N. America, or to indicate on the book page "will not send this book to X, Y, or Z."
It could save a lot of frustrationa and wasted time.
P.S. I send everywhere, to Iceland, the Philippines, Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Asia, eastern and western Europe, N. America, S. America -- wherever the postal service reaches.

NinaBryna
4 years ago

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Ditto.
Nicholas
4 years ago
At least you get rejections! I much prefer that than the resounding silence that greets some of my requests.

Incidentally, I think that many moochers in the US are unaware that a book will cost the same when sent anywhere in the world (with the exception of Canada, which is very inexpensive to send to). I have run into cases where someone here will tell me that they can only afford to mail to Europe, or even only to Britain.

RidgewayGirl
4 years ago
I understand your frustration Nina, but those situations are when you ask an 'angel' and then you get the book!

I have to get lots of angel-help, for my wish-listed books, and I usually look at the member's history and if I don't see any have been sent to my country, I ask for an 'angel' immediately without 'asking first'. This saves that time and I have had great success this way - and now there is such an easy link in the new forum here for angel-help, it should make getting these mooches easier too. :)

Another option is to ask first, get the book reserved for you and then ask them to keep it for an 'angel' and they can easily change the reservation to the other user id, once you have found one.

Don't let your rejected requests stop you!! I ask first, and when rejected, ask immediately for an angel-mooch - by posting on any 'angel' forums I know - and I often get the book that way!
~ L.

Lman
4 years ago
I just mooched a book that I had "asked first" but didn't get a reply. I emailed her to ask "please" and the owner was happy to send to me. I suspect for some reason she didn't get the initial email. I wonder if the "resounding silence" I have received for some of my "ask first" requests are also due to the initial email not reaching the intended in-box? I plan to send follow-up emails on books I really want if I haven't heard in a few days (especially if the person has logged in since).

Cara

Cara
4 years ago
I use the angel network all the time, but I think Americans overuse the Priority mail envelope. You may be able to send 3 paperbacks for $12.95 that way, but you could send a single paperback for about $4.50, thus saving quite a lot of money.
Nicholas
4 years ago
I can usually fit 4 paperbacks in the Priority Mail envelope, 6 if they're skinny. A single book via 1st Class is done via weight if the package goes over 8 oz (a lot of books are around 7 oz + an envelope) costs over $9 to send to Europe, it's much cheaper per book to send a bunch at once.

That being said, I don't put any restrictions on my international moochers (except for excluding an occasionally super heavy book) and I decide on each one which is the most cost efficient way to send.

Another factor in using the Priority Mail envelope is that I can use their envelope, print the postage at home (including customs form) and drop off at the Post Office without waiting in line and 1st Class you have to provide the envelope, hand write the customs form and stand in line to pay for the postage at the Post Office. If it's close in price, I'd just as so pay the extra dollar or so and use the Priority Mail.

I think some of the requests for asking about international sending don't get through, I asked about 2 books from someone and they only responded to one request, so I had to resend the other one. (Most of the mail I receive from BookMooch is identified as SPAM from my IP)

AC
4 years ago
Am I the only person who refuses to send to a foreign member if their profile states that they're only willing to send within their country? It hardly seems fair for them to expect others to do what they won't
Jonathan
4 years ago
No, you are among friends. However, although I am affected by people's refusal to send abroad (I'm in France), I find the angel network bypasses the problem. I also know that there are many people who just cannot afford overseas postage, so their decision does not affect mine. I'm not mad at them and I continue to send overseas while my budget allows.
Nicholas
4 years ago
Jonathan, no, you're not the only person, but you are going against both the spirit and the TOS of BookMooch and will be reported to abuse. John Buckman's stance is that if someone has earned points by sending out books, whether domestically or internationally, then they can request books from other members. And it's perfectly fair, because you get three points for that international mooch - penalising people who are on a low income is the unfair thing to do! After all, what does your attitude do to change anything? It doesn't magically increase the income of a low-waged moocher - it just looks petty, IMHO.
Sophie Houston
4 years ago
@ Jonathan

I dare say you are not, but I don't think that's really fair. They have still earned their points, they should be able to spend them as they wish.

Lots of people have lots of reasons why posting abroad is not viable for them.

Of course, it's your right to reject mooches from whoever you wish but I'm of the opinion that if someone has points to spend I'll gladly accept them.

Rob

Rob
4 years ago
Also, what if people started rejecting mooches from people who reject mooches from people who don't send overseas. Where will the madness end?!?!?
Rob
4 years ago
I didn't realise it was against the TOS. Good! I'll start reporting the abuse.
Nicholas
4 years ago
Margot, sorry for my ignorance.
What does TOS mean?
Michelle
4 years ago
Sorry, was in a hurry - TOS = terms of service!
Sophie Houston
4 years ago
Terms of Service.
Nicholas
4 years ago
Jonathen,

Do keep in mind that many people will send worldwide sometimes, but not others, as their budget allows, so looking at one's current status is not necessarily an indication of not ever sending books worldwide.

The high costs of international mailing (and domestic for a few countries with excessive domestic rates like Canada and Australia), should really be the only reason to limit who you might send books to. There might also be an occasion when you see a suspect account, in which case, clicking 'delay' and notify reporting possible abuse would be the way to go.

Deciding to limit your books based on the account settings of other members in good standing, whatever they might be is really not in the spirit of Bookmooch, and if someone sees such a limit they will generally report it to the admins who will ask you not make such limitations.

mark
4 years ago
*The high costs of international mailing (and domestic for a few countries with excessive domestic rates like Canada and Australia)*

And France. -)

Nicholas
4 years ago
I can tell unequivocally Cara, that most of my 'ask-first' requests land in a junk mail folder or spam filter...both those I receive and those I send.

If I don't get a formal notification through the site of 'yes' or 'no' I always send a follow-up email a few days later stating just that and asking if I could mooch the book - and I get so many positive answers that way.

Lots of other members do the same - and I check my junk mail folder regularly too. :)

Of course, there are some members who don't get the follow-up email and thus still seem to ignore you; but they are in the minority I have found. And then I try for angel-help.

Lman
4 years ago
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For a keen moocher it is worth remembering that if you have the funds to send internationally you do acquire lots of points this way which allows you to mooch without hesitation.
Unquote

I send internationally and I have a lot of points. But since I live in the Netherlands the statement that all these points allow me to mooch without hesitation is not right.

More often than not I encounter moochers who do not want to send internationally. When you live in the US national is big but when you live in The Netherlands national is very small and you depend on international senders for your books.

The fact that I am a nice person and that I send internationally to everybody is good for my karma but not for my bookshelves.

Zjanette
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Zjanette
4 years ago
Nice post.
Nicholas
4 years ago
I just can't afford international postage. Sometimes I even delete books because I can't afford any postage at all. I used to send International. But now I'm a single mom and just don't have the money. I have 5 to send out now and will probably go on vacation.

I changed it from Ask First because I never turned anyone down because I felt guilty if I did. So I changed it to stop being asked. When my finances get better, I'll probably change it back. But I don't need pts now and I have a huge TBR to keep me busy if I do run out of pts.

Msright
4 years ago
BM needs another tier - my region (for example Europe, Australasia, Asia, North America, Africa). There may be plenty of people who won't send overseas but might send within their region.
jacquie
4 years ago

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