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Shipping books from Canada to France

I have a canadian friend who wants to send me a couple of books she has finished reading but her local post office have told her that France will not allow importation of any secondhand booksfrom Canada. Can any one confirm whether this is true please,...... Thank you

Lulu
7 years ago
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(29 days ago)Great Post! Accountants Brampton
builder16
(1 month ago)While some restrictions might exist, France generally allows used books from Canada. Private courier services like DHL or FedEx might have more experience with customs regulations and can advise her on the best way to ship the books. Gulf Coast Panana Jack Beach Gear
Kelly Peters
(2 months, 25 days ago)Thank you for sharing this with us. Accountants Green Bay
builder16
(4 months, 6 days ago)It's also a good idea to confirm with the local post office as regulations can vary, and the postal staff may have the most recent information on shipping restrictions. Cincinnati demolition company
Amber Brion
(4 months, 21 days ago)I really enjoy reading your posts. great work! Accountants Calgary
builder16
(7 years ago)You need to send the books as "gifts" with the value of about a dollar a book. I have never had a problem mailing books to France or any other country from Canada.
Cara
(7 years ago)Maybe your friend needs to try another post office?
jacquie
(7 years ago)Thanks for the info Jacquie..... you've confirmed what I thought. My friend's post office insist it is true though and have even shown it to her in black and white.... totally bizarre..... I will speak to her again.
Lulu
(7 years ago)Baloney! I live in France and have mooched from all over the world, including Canada, for several years. Many BM parcels I receive have a customs/security scan label on them, so sometimes parcels are delayed, but do get here.
jacquie

that's what it says on the little green stickers German customs puts on parcels with books in them - but not all of them. And occasionally I get one with a stamp that says it HAS been checked and approved by customs -

does anybody have an idea how the customs people go about deciding which packages to check?

I have an inkling it might be the country of origin, but I only noticed this a little while ago and do not yet have a large enough sample ;-)

What are your experiences with this kind of thing?

aganmooch
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)If you're package comes within Europe, it has this green sticker "approved by customs" so it won't get delayed and opened by other customs. I had this problem lately and I need to go and picked up some of my packages, they asked for receipt etc. If you cannot proved your package is a gift then you need to pay tha value added tax which is 19% of the of the book's price...that's why you need to show the receipt. I don't know where all the customs located in Germany but with my own experience, my packages had been opened by three location already. They checked and open everything that comes outside Europe, so make it sure to tell your giver to declared as gift.
ylef
International mooching from Australasia

I'm a new moocher living in New Zealand. I love the BM culture of international book-sharing, but living at the bottom of the world makes overseas sending that little bit harder.

My feeling is that the pleasure of mooching is completely worth it, but if any older and wiser antipodean members have advice about keeping postage costs down I would really appreciate it :)

Zoe
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)Thanks very much! I'll take a look at the NZ Post website and invest in some packing tape immediately :)
Zoe 
USA Moocher -- Got any money saving tips?

I'd love to send more books international, but the ones that over seas moochers want are the heavy ones! While I have discussed this with a postal worker, and been on the website of USPS many times, I'd like to know what you, sage shippers, do to send anywhere at a reasonable price.

Sea Mail has been all but eradicated, yes, but a friend recently suggested, at the dinner table where I could not loudly disagree, that there was an international media rate, and continued on to say that it was a postal secret... I am intrigued.

Should I indeed invest in a postal scale? And continue to score those flat rate envelopes? Anything you say could be of service. (Tricks with other shippers, perhaps? Does DHL have a secret deal?)

Thank you!

ljpbb
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)I use a kitchen scale- it is extremely accurate and can handle packages up to 2 kg. Cost me about $15 US and now I can check postage costs online before I take them to the PO, so I can see if economy air or seamail is cheaper. Releasing books slowly is a good idea- I just put all my "won't read them again" books in my inventory since I'm new to Bookmooch. Paid more in postage this week than on groceries for my family. Yowza.
VIcki
(13 years ago)I am from Singapore and I spend on average $10 to get a book shipped to US or wherever far far away. I am not harping for points. Shipping cost me half the price of a brand new book thereabouts but I didn't mind. I love the culture of trading books. 10 years down the road, your book has it's own story to tell, if it has the ability to speak, in a decade's time *LOL*. I hope that more members will be open to shipping internationally :)
Fida
(13 years ago)On the subject of sending international mooches and getting more points, I'm in favor. I'm very new to BM, and out of the books I've sent so far, 2 have been from Canada. I very much want to send, but have to admit the extra postage is a consideration, because of the cost. I've also found that I'm not listing all of my books because I got so many hits off of my first listing and the postage was an issue (I'm on a fixed income). So I'm "releasing" my books a few at a time. Other than that, I'm very happy -- I've mooched some books I'd been wanting for a while, so thanks everyone! ~ Robin
Robin
(13 years ago)There used to be this surface M-bag rate which looks like it could get interesting fast as long as you sent at least 2 books. http://www.iosart.com/misc/m-bags.html AFAIK it exists only airmail now so I guess you'd have to cram quite a lot of books in it to make it worthwile since you get charged the same for anything up to 11 pounds. An airmail M-Bag to France looks like it'd currently cost $37.95 up to 11 pounds then 3.45 per extra pound. http://pe.usps.gov/text/imm/fh_005.htm
Aude
(13 years ago)I have heard this same rumor. Something to the effect that "it exists, you just have to know how..." But no one tells...:-( Robin
Robin
International shipping - be patient

People often expect books from overseas to arrive quicker than domestic mooches. This doesn't happen.
The only way that I am able to continue to send internationally is to use a book rate, only recognised at one post office in my locality. I therefore send when I can depending on my availability and the post office's opening hours.
Today I received notification that a book I sent, postmarked 1st February 2016, had arrived at its destination, together with another book to the same moocher posted five months later.
International shipping takes a while. Be patient. If you want the book quickly then please order online or find a bookshop locally.

jacquie
7 years ago
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BM status if many outgoing mooches rejected

I'm in France. I send worldwide.
I often attempt to mooch books from overseas, but many are rejected because it's too expensive for the book owner to send overseas. Does this rejection - from other people - have any impact on my BM "standing"?
Are "outgoing" rejected mooches counted in one's statistics?

jacquie
7 years ago
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International shipping - addressing

I am now going to reject any mooch that does not provide a name as well as an address. French postal authorities do not accept packages with just an address.
Each time I have to ask for a name and wait for a response to my email, I potentially lose a week's time window for being able to ship the mooch.

jacquie
7 years ago
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(4 years ago)I do not understand your comment. As previously stated, if you mark the book as received, I will smooch the points back to you. I am not prepared to incur the cost of international postage for a book that the post office could not deliver to the given address. If you do not wish to mark the book received and for me to smooch the points back to you, you will have to wait for six months and then mark the book as lost.
jacquie
(4 years ago)is it work now?
moosixx
Mooch Ratio and International transactions

Quick question about the international mooches and the mooch ratio. When do the "bonus points" for an international send get assigned? I've accepted 2 international request (and given the go ahead for a 3rd). I got 3 mooch points immediately following the mooch was initiated, however, once I sent the book I noticed I did not get bonus points within my mooch ratio? The books went from Canada to US. Do I get the extra points towards my ratio once the transaction is confirmed?

I'm not planning on ordering a bunch of books or anything, but I do want to keep my ratio healthy.

Granite
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)The ratio will change when the books are marked Received. HTH!
Gail
Shipping from France - tarifs/book rate

Postal rates went up in France on 1st January. Has anyone else encountered problems using the "livre" rate - http://www.laposte.fr/courrierinternational/index.php?id=173&pdt_id=#avantages?
I was told this afternoon that it only applies to businesses shipping books and can't be used by private invidividuals.
Apparently two books packed together count as a package not a letter, which doubles the cost of shipping two mooches to the States. I guess I'll have to pack them individually and see whether that's cheaper.

jacquie
11 years ago
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(8 years ago)For the past few months I've been forced by the post office to use international parcel post rate "Colissimo international" for some larger BM packages. While shipping is extremely quick, the cost is far too much for me. Yesterday a post office employee told me I could just send the package as a registered package. The cost was about 1/4 of the Colissimo rate, so I was very happy. I could have saved hundreds of Euros over the past few years had I known about this previously.
jacquie
(9 years ago)The rates have recently gone up in Finland as well. The increase in postage rates wasn't that big, BUT the maximum dimensions of a letter were reduced. The maximum thickness is now 2 cm instead of 3 cm. Sending as an oversized "maxi" letter pretty much doubles the price.
Saija
(9 years ago)Not only did French postal rates increase on 1st January 2015 by over 7%, but the cheaper overseas rate for printed papers has now been discontinued. Furthermore any package over 3cm thick now has to be sent by tracked parcel post. It's far cheaper to buy a book secondhand on Amazon, including paying for shipping, than to send a book outside France. What is the future for BM if postal authorities price their services out of the range of any but those who can afford to buy new hardbacks at full price?
jacquie
(9 years ago)Also sending books from Europe Internationally I have found is a lot cheaper than us Yankees sending books to the E.U. (except for the U.K.). You can send mail to the U.K. from the U.S. using plain First Class International and it is dirt cheap, but since that is the only international shipping type that isn't express, the cost to ship anything anywhere in Europe is ridiculous. They need to add a international media mail rate.
texan2019
(10 years ago)Hullo! To send books from France, I use the "mini-max", as it allows for parcells up to 2 cm thick - small books largely enter that category. It only costs about 1,50 euros and so far everything I've sent reached its destination. Hope this helps! Monika
Tulipka
(11 years ago)Further discussion with two post offices has concluded that I can no longer risk sending non-French books at book rate; postal authorities are now doing random checks.
jacquie
RE: International shipping from the US

I know that there have been quite a few new users from the US after Paperbackswap started charging. I am one of them. I have been searching the forum archives on shipping internationally but haven't found much recent info. I would like to do it but I am not sure how plus I can't figure out how you can find out an approx. cost in order to make the decision if it is worth it. Can anyone in the US who does ship internationally help me out with some general information and pros and cons, etc. Thanks so much !

Tandy Brown
9 years ago
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(8 years ago)Shipping between European countries depends on the postage rates set by each individual country. France abolished "media/book" rates last year, so books cost the same as letters. Packages more than about 2.5cm thick also attract additional costs in some countries. In your case, you'd have to investigate postage costs and restrictions for Germany.
jacquie
(8 years ago)Is it expensive to mail media from one European country to another? I have the good fortune of being able to travel from the U.S. to Germany later this year. I thought perhaps I could carry a few books over in my suitcase, and mail them when I get there. Are there drawbacks to this method?
Suzanne J. 
(9 years ago)Melanie, Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this. I am probably not the only newbie on here and hopefully this will help all us newbies make an informed decision as to whether we are willing to ship internationally or not. It is appreciated !!
Tandy Brown
question about BMing out of Canada

k, so I received an email from a non-Canadian bookmoocher asking to get 3 of my books for 6 points total

two of the three I've had up for two or three weeks (and are on three wishlists including the person in question)

one I have had up for like a week and is on 14 wishlists

said bookmoocher does have a positive moocher rating

what should I do?

Ellelarondelle
10 years ago
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(10 years ago)@Ellelarondelle, I don't think it makes a great deal of difference for most countries where in the country, it's pretty much the same for the whole country. The States you may want to have a zip code to check, because it might vary a bit, I'm not sure.

@Melanie, My assumption was that the moocher was attempting to get a deal for the three books
Cara

(10 years ago)so is it the same for anywhere in the same country internationally? 'cause said person has told me only country, not location within it and I don't ever drive to the states... but at least two of the three could be called "small" (and the third only can't 'cause it's 400 + pages)
Ellelarondelle
(10 years ago)It, of course, depends on what country you are mailing to, but generally it is better to mail internationally than domestically in Canada. I would go to the Canada Post webpage and figure out how much it will cost to mail the package at the cheapest rate (surface to Europe, airmail to the States). Or, if that seems too difficult, go to the post office with the package and get the best price you can. You do not want to spend more than $3 per point (closer to $2.50 is better), so if the package is more than $18 to mail I would say no, and explain that you will only send them for the full 9 points. I sometimes offer deals for multiple mooches, but usually to the States if I know I will be driving over the border to mail the package or for quite small books.
Cara
German "Buch und Presse International" and customs

Hello,

I am currently trying to find the cheapest way to send books internationally, and the German "Büchersendung" or "Buch und Presse International" is very inexpensive compared to sending parcels.

I recently sent my first Büchersendung to Canada and prepared a CN22 customs form, but when I asked the lady at the post office whether I needed it, she said that there is no need for that form. She also told me that I can't send a Büchersendung that is taped shut, but from the wiki page at http://wiki.bookmooch.com/index.php/Shipping_from_Germany I knew that wasn't true and after I told her she begrudgingly accepted the shipment.

Now I am wondering: Do I really not need a CN22 form or was the post office worker wrong about that too? Are there any experienced German bookmoochers that know?

Cheers,
naturaleast

naturaleast
11 years ago
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(11 years ago)I usually will put a CN22 on all books I am sending outside the EU. And I am asking others to do so as well, otherwise, I will occasionally have to pick my books up at the customs office (no problem for me, as it is quite close to where I live, but it might not be that convenient for other users). This often happens with books originating from Israel or the middle east... strange, I think.
aganmooch
Patience! International shipping takes time

Please, if you've requested a book internationally, be patient.
Most of us who ship internatinally necessarily send books by the cheapest possible rate, which is therefore much slower than airmail. Just because you haven't received a book a week after it was sent doesn't mean that the book wasn't sent or that it's lost in the post, and it's not necessary to nag the sender for proof of despatch either.
I've just happily marked as received three books that were sent to me from Malaysia, posted in September 2011. They've taken almost nine months to make the journey to France, but they're here now.

jacquie
11 years ago
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(11 years ago)I had something sent from the UK to the East Coast of the US, and it took four months as well. Sometimes they just toss the books in the back bin, and they don't get loaded for weeks and weeks.
Robin
(11 years ago)Even Priority Mail boxes and envelopes from the U.S. can take up to 30 days to arrive overseas!
Mary Spurgeon
(11 years ago)Yes indeed. The Canada Post donkey cart and rowboat system can take the entire 4 months allotted for international mooches if not more.
Cara
Bye bye padded envelopes

I've just done a comparison between posting a book (within France) in three different sets of packaging:
- reuse Amazon cardboard - 3.25 euros (total weight is 300g, over the 250g limit for economy rate, so the package has to go priority rate)
- reuse padded envelope - 3.25 euros (total weight is 260g, so it's still over the 250g limit for economy rate)
- wrap book firmly in opaque plastic film, tape well. Weight comes in at under 200g, and I can send the book economy rate post for 1.80 euros.

If I send the book in cardboard or a padded envelope, I'll be paying as much to send it domestically as to send overseas by economy post. That's a significant difference, especially when this is a book I mooched from overseas, therefore costing me three BM points and that I'm sending domestically for one point.

My "green" principles don't like having to use plastic film, but the Amazon carton has just gone into the recycling bin and I'll probably strip down the remaining padded envelopes and use the bubble pack plus film.

jacquie
11 years ago
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(11 years ago)Thanks! What size is best to fit your average paperback?
Robin
(11 years ago)@Cara - I've received a few of these envelopes, but not enough, and I'm certainly not going to buy any packaging. If I have to do that then I'll stop sending internationally, and therefore will be out of BM because there aren't enough English language moochers in France for swapping, and it can cost as much to send a book domestically as internationally - I think that's similar to you in Canada?
My point is that while reusing padded envelopes seemed to be a good idea, some of them are in themselves too heavy to make shipping worthwhile and there are other lighter solutions.

jacquie
(11 years ago)@Robin - I buy opaque film for wrapping parcels for my business, so always have some to hand. You'll find rolls in stationery stores. Do you have an Office Depot or similar nearby? There's a lot of plastic on one roll, so one will probably last you for your book swapping days, but I also find the stuff useful for wrapping personal stuff for storage.
jacquie
(11 years ago)Jacquie, what do you use for "opaque film"? I've received a few books in what looks like a book-sized plastic envelope, and I'm familiar with the Tyvek (although they are almost always so big, the books 'rattle' around.) Do you have any suggestions for where we can find such stuff? Thanks! Great suggestion. Robin
Robin
(11 years ago)Do you have Tyvek envelopes available in France? I have received quite a few books in them and the reused them to mail others. They are waterproof and seem really strong. They don't cushion against bumps but when thickness is an issue (as in our domestic postage) or weight, they are great. I have cut them and used them to wrap books tightly as well. When I have had to mail books without the extra padding of bubble wrap because of weight or thickness issues I have always let the moocher know that before accepting the mooch and it has always been okay.
Cara
International - multi-mooches

I don't mind occasionally being asked to mooch a second book to make it "worthwhile" for the sender to send to France, but today I drew the line at being asked to mooch four books, and therefore spending 16 points, in order to get one I wanted.
A quick check on Amazon France shows me that I could get that wishlisted book for 3 euros with postage.
It would probably cost me 2 euros to send that book back out internationally once I relist it on BM, the cost to me for that book seems to already work out at 5 euros.

jacquie
12 years ago
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Buying online instead of shipping myself - waddaya think?

Hi

I am considering returning to active use of bookmooch. I have found a good local alternative.

Here's the catch: shipping stuff abroad is really expensive for Swiss residents. Often, most of the time, actually, it's cheaper to buy a used book online (say, on amazon.com) and have it delivered directly to the moocher.

I remember doing this once or twice, but I think I asked the moochers for permission.

For clarification, here's how it worked: Someone from the US mooched a book from me. The cost of shipping from Switzerland was about 12$. The cost of the same book on amazon.com was 5$, shipping included. So I ordered the book and had it delivered to the person in US. It worked just fine. I selected one of the better maintained copies and paid a few extra ¢ to make sure the quality matched the one I had.

What do you think of that?
Would you mind if I did that to you?

Boris
12 years ago
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(12 years ago)I still haven't worked out why this would make sense, other than as Tria suggested, if ratio becomes a problem.
If a book that I really want isn't available on BM, then I'd rather spend 4 euros on buying that book and therefore reading something on my wishlist, rather than buying a book I'm not going to read to increase my number of points.

jacquie
(12 years ago)Hi Boris, I think it's an interesting idea. You might just give it a try and see. The thing is, you might find it's not worth it to go with the books everybody wants...when I calculate my point value, I include the cost of the book, which you are not doing. So, for me, an older book from Amazon costs about $4. Which means if I am sending things overseas, they can be worth up to $12 for me to be "even" if you will. I like to keep my value down, as you say, BM is a marketplace, and looking at that functionality, I like to think that my books are costing no more than $5. But perhaps you could try this and see if it works out. There are tons of copies of some mysteries out there, that I suspect are on people's wishlists. The problem is, of course, that the wishlists are even less accurate than the inventories, because when an Inventory is vacationed, its corresponding wish list is not. (See the Library Thing discussion about that..it's fascinating.) But a careful trial of 10 or so books you think might be desirable and appropriately priced would be worthwhile. And really, who *cares* where the book comes from. If the moocher wants a book, and they're willing to spend a point or three to get it, they know they had the option to buy it, and are not doing so...
Robin
(12 years ago)I'm the original poster and would like add some thoughts to this. I have just bought a book instead of sending it (7$ instead of 18$). Now my profile clearly states that I will exercise the option of buying a book locally at my discretion. However, I currently only have books in my inventory that I actually own. Right now, I'm only considering adding books that I don't own if I'm low on points. Then I'll add something that is highly wishlisted. The whole idea of buying v. shipping myself is only interesting as long as there are books available for mooching that I actually want. Why should I accumulate points if I cannot spend them? I have also considered the fairness issue. It does seem a bit extreme that one should get three points for a book that costs 4$ to ship from amazon. That would be 1.33$ per point. If you do this kind of thing domestically, it means 4$ per point. This is not fair. However, if you compare it per book, the picture looks different: Since I'm in Switzerland, if I get three points, I'll most likely have to spend three points to get a new book. There is a real issue here that will influence whether bookmooch will gain in popularity as a platform for trading books. Like it or not, but bm is a marketplace, the attractiveness of which depends on the quality of supply. If there is insufficient supply, lots of folks will shop elsewhere. But of course, here the whole bm pricing system is in question. Currently, there is a strong bias towards adding lighter and thinner books to inventory in the arrangement, where all books cost the same. I'm not a fan of this system at all. I think it severely limits the number of available books. John also launched a debate on whether to include books from commercial vendors in his post "A Dangerous Idea". I am not sure what the best course of action is. I like the idea of international mooching a lot. That's why I'm here. I would like this wonderful platform for much longer.
Boris
(12 years ago)In one way or another, you are always paying for the book as well as the postage (in Amazon marketplace the book itself only "costs" 1 cent!)... The thing is whether you are paying for International or Domestic postage, right? I personally think that it should be the same for a giver inside the US or outside it to use this system (buying a used book from Amazon marketplace directly to a US moocher), as the costs would be the same for either person... Now if the moocher wants to send the giver a couple of extra points for the book that would be up to him/her. I think that there should be some guidelines regarding this as it could be an interesting way of getting more books in the system.
andrea
(12 years ago)
 I've thought about this but at the same time I'm hesitant because of the Domestic/International aspect. When you buy a book from Amazon you are usually sending the book domestically and I feel that it wouldn't be right to get more than 1 point from it (because the higher point cost for international mooches is supposed to be to cover shipping).
However, in this case you are also paying for the book + postage rather than just the postage, so I think it's a valid thing to do. I wouldn't be at all bothered if someone purchased a book from a local online dealer and had it shipped to me directly. As long as the condition is ok, what difference does it make to the receiver? They have paid their points, they have got their book. Rob

Rob
(12 years ago)I've thought about this but at the same time I'm hesitant because of the Domestic/International aspect. When you buy a book from Amazon you are usually sending the book domestically and I feel that it wouldn't be right to get more than 1 point from it (because the higher point cost for international mooches is supposed to be to cover shipping). But then, what about BookDepository for instance? I think John mentioned this some time ago... does anybody remember what was said then?
andrea
(12 years ago)@jacquie I think the reason it might make sense for some people financially, were if they were in a country where English used books are hard to get and expensive to order through the Internet. (Prior to Betterworldbooks free shipping to Canada, for example, Amazon.com shipping added $7 to the price of a used book). If they bought a book from Amazon.com or Betterworldbooks to mail to a U.S. address, it would be cheaper than the cost of postage from their country, and they would get three points that they could, in turn, use to mooch a book internationally from someone in the Bookmooch community who would be willing to mail a book to them. Hope that made sense.
Cara
(12 years ago)The logic of this is lost on me. If I don't already have a book to give away, why spend money buying a copy of a book someone else wants to send to them? I'd rather spend my limited funds buying a book that _I_ want to read!
I've actually done this recently; I was stalled in a series I'd been reading, so bought the unavailable book and read it. It was mooched immediately I listed it, and so were the next two that I then read. My buying one book for myself actually subsequently liberated an extra two from my TBR shelves.

jacquie
(12 years ago)When you add a book to your inventory, the message is "this book is now listed as a book you own and are willing to send" or something like that. I think the expectation is that people are not listing books they, in fact, do not own. I am not sure how anyone would be able to tell if that is what someone was doing. If ordering books online and having them sent to people who mooch from you works for you financially, and everyone is happy with the transaction, I don't think it would cause a problem, but I don't speak for the people in charge and others might feel differently.
Cara
(12 years ago)Well, I don't intend to do this on a big scale although I see how one could make a business of it. For fellow economists out there: it's an arbitrage opportunity. I have stated something along those lines in my profile so anyone who mooches from me is forewarned that I might resort to this option. QUOTEwhen the price to mail the book has exceeded the cost of the book new/QUOTE The benefit here, IMHO, is that this would actually increase the volume of available books via third parties. It's a pity that many books are never traded because of high shipping cost. And it would be a boon to moochers in exotic destinations. It's a bit like integrating amazon.com or BetterWorld used books into bookmooch. A quick scan of the TOS did not reveal any clause that requires me to actually own a book. Though it may say so otherwise. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I am aware that because of the potentially business-like nature of this proposal this might be regarded as a violation of the bookmooch spirit. However, if it means that the number of available books increases, how could one object? That's just me being pragmatic.
Boris
(12 years ago)I personally wouldn't mind, although you would have to only do this with books you actually had a copy of otherwise since you can't offer books you don't have a copy of. I would make sure you have the full agreement of the moocher because you can't actually guarantee the condition the same way you can in you have the book in hand. You could also send new books from Bookdepository for less than the cost of postage for many books. I've been tempted to do that with domestic mooches here in Canada when the price to mail the book has exceeded the cost of the book new. If the moocher doesn't have a concern about condition, Betterworldbooks has free shipping to many places as well. I don't know whether TPTB would feel that this is against the TOS of Bookmooch.
Cara
France - overseas economy rate abolished?

Economy rate postage for overseas packages has disappeared from the online rate calculator. This effectively doubles the cost of sending books overseas from France.
Three points to bring a book in and many euros to send books out. There don't seem to be enough of us trading English books within France to make this worthwhile.

jacquie
12 years ago
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(12 years ago)@MM35 go to Member Home ----> Account ----> Your Profile Scroll down it's at the bottom. You an select either world wide or ask first.
Cara
(12 years ago)French overseas economy rate has returned to the online calculator: http://www.laposte.fr/Entreprise/Outils-Indispensables/Outils/Calculez-le-tarif-de-vos-envois
jacquie
French economy rate now parcel post?

The French post office's online postal rate calculator - http://www.laposte.fr/Particulier/Utilisez-nos-outils-pratiques/Outils-et-documents/Calculez-le-tarif-de-vos-envois - is now showing that economy rate documents are being treated as parcels.
I suspect that fast economy envelope shipping from France has now been (or is being) discontinued, and that if economy rate overseas packages are being shipped with parcels, they will take longer.

jacquie
12 years ago
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(12 years ago)Hope economy rate post stays here. At 1.25€ a litre for diesel, we'll be walking everywhere very soon, and it's 5km to my nearest post office.
jacquie
(12 years ago)Robin, that would have been standard parcel rate. You can send an inland package (up to 250g) economy rate for 1.75€, but the post office here doesn't like economy rate post. You have to tell them that you know the system better than they do!
My local post office used to refuse to accept my worldwide BM packages sent economy until I forced them to accept that the service existed and I was going to use it.
On a more than usually cynical day I suspect that there's some sort of commission or points rate for letters that doesn't apply to economy rate post. My sorting office certainly has charts displayed showing the numbers of letters and parcels they handle, but there's no mention of any economy rate stuff... Economy rate parcel post disappeared a couple of years ago.

jacquie
(12 years ago)Hi Jacquie, I was in France last month, and actually went to mail a book from Normandy to Paris. The "book rate" they were going to charge was 5 euros. The cost for me to send the package from German (International Rate!) was only 3.65 Euros. So I took it home and mailed it from there. It seems like France is getting too expensive to mail books from at all. :-(
Robin
French postal delays - 21st April

There is no official reason why, but post in France seems to be held up somewhere at present!
I've not had the usual amount of business post this week, and our postman confirms that they are not receiving the usual amount of letters or parcels through the sorting office either, but that there is no indication of any official industrial action. I have business parcels that were sent two weeks ago with an expected two day delivery time, and they haven't yet reached their destination - the post office's tracking system only indicates that they're held up at a major sorting centre.
If you have sent a package to France recently and haven't had acknowledgement of delivery, please don't nag the recipient, it's possible the package is still in the delivery network. Likewise, if you're expecting a book from France, please be patient.

jacquie
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)Update - 22nd April
The postwoman's delivery van was FULL this morning. Somewhere along the line the postal bottleneck seems to be easing. Let's hope BM packages will reach their destinations soon.

jacquie
(13 years ago)There is something going on with airmail to and from the US for anything over a certain size. Apparently the US Transportation Safety Association (TSA) made a unilateral change in the rules, and only talked to the airlines about it, rather than the other countries' mail services. So I know that some thing have been delayed, but it shouldn't have affected letter mail, unless something related to it clogged the whole French System.
Robin
International Sending from Canada

Hello, everyone! I'm new to BM, and so I have a few questions for Canadians who send either internationally or within Canada.

1) When sending to another country, do you mark the package as a gift?

2) Is it considered acceptable to send using a cheap method that doesn't give a tracking number?

3) What is the cheapest way to mail books within Canada? Any tips for packaging, sending options, etc. would be appreciated.

Thank you so much! I look forward to hearing from you. :)

Brittany
13 years ago
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(13 years ago)I have sent books as lettermail within Canada and to the US. As long as they are less than 500 g, and thinner than.79 inches. They can be mailed to the US as a letter since they are just paper. In that situation, do not fill out a customs form at all, just mail it as if it were a letter. I mailed a book that was just under 100 g for $1.03, and one that was between 100 and 200 g for $2.06. IF you run into a clerk that won't allow you to do that, go to a different outlet, or purchase the stamps place the postage on, and stick it in a mailbox rather than dealing with the clerk. I learned this lesson, when I took a book up and was told it would be $8.57 to mail (not for bookmooch, just to a friend). I chose not to do it at that point, when I decided to do it I took it back to a postal outlet with my stamps already on it and the clerk looked at it and said " Why did you put so much postage, and I told her that it was because that was how much Karin (the other clerk) said it would be. She weighed it, and said you know it is just paper and without that customs form you can mail it as a letter for $ 3.60 ! You can bet I choose to do it that way now!! When books are thicker than .79 inches it is cheaper to send to the US, and sometimes if it is over 300 g or so it is cheaper to send as a " small packet" rather than a letter. I use the find a rate tool on the Canada Post website to determine that! ( handy if you have a kitchen scale, if not you can usually get the dimensions from amazon) Hope that helps a bit!
mumtotwo
(13 years ago)Hi, welcome to Bookmooch. If you send surface the prices are not usually that bad, especially if you encourage multi-mooches. If the books were coming *from* the States, wouldn't it have been Canadian Border Services checking the packages? Once the points for an international mooch go up to 3 it is going to make less and less financial sense for Canadians to use Bookmooch (sadly). Cara
Cara
(13 years ago)Hi all. I am also a Canadian newbie to BookMooch. I joined Venture in order to save money on my shipping supplies. Venture allows you to send expedited and I tried this once for $35.00. It took the book 6 weeks to arrive on a four day delivery due to customs and border services. I am overwhelmed at the difference in cost between what we Canadians pay to ship and what it costs someone in another country to send a book to Canada. Our cost is 100 - 150% more, generally $7.00 - $11.00 for a paperback. Our delivery time is longer. It takes my books 6 - 8 weeks to get anywhere outside Canada, but I recieve books from the US and GB in about 2 weeks - Go figure. (Ok I'm done now.) US Border services has opened 100% of the books I have received this year from the US. Some of these books arrived damaged in the process (torn covers and broken bindings) and packages aren't re-taped after opening. I am glad that they found (you guessed it) a used paperback book of $0.00 value as declared. :-)
Rhiannonsrest
(13 years ago)Thank you for the welcome, Cara! I sent out two books this week and marked as gifts, but just wanted to be sure on that point. I'm glad to know that books can occassionally be sent as lettermail, and that envelopes are okay to use. That's too bad, I would love to attend a meet and mooch...and I agree that our postage rates are interesting! Although I've never lived in the States, I wish we had their media mail options. Thank you so much for your response! :) Happy mooching to you as well!
Brittany
(13 years ago)Hi Eunice, welcome. Absolutely mark the books as "gift". That way no one has to pay duty. Send the cheapest way (surface). Up to 500 grams to the U.S. and up to 1 kg to anywhere else is quite reasonable so multi-mooches are a good idea. Within Canada, the only cheap option is for books 2 cm or less. Package as flat as possible in a envelope with flap, seams and edges reinforced with tape. If you are lucky, the postal clerk will let you send it as "letter". Otherwise, mail within Canada is crazily expensive. Outside your province is around $10 for paperback. I usually ask that my fellow Canadians mooch 3. Larger books I put in the condition notes that I will not mail them to fellow Canadians. If you live in the Toronto area you can go to a mooch meet and trade books that way, or arrange to meet another moocher somewhere to exchange books. The only other place in Canada I have heard that happening is in the Vancouver area. There aren't enough of us elsewhere. Check out my bio for other ideas and happy mooching!
Cara
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