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new forums for new discussions

I've noticed that some people (possibly newbies) have been creating new forums to post a question/suggestion/complaint rather than posting a message in another more appropriate forum. Is there any way for a forum admin to clean up these forums by moving the messages to the appropriate forums and deleting the newly created forum? It would make it faster and easier to read through all the forums. It would also make the messages in question more likely to be answered since some of us only have "my forums" visible and therefore don't see the newly created ones.

Cara
3 years ago
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(3 years ago)never mind - figured it out
Jan
(3 years ago)how do you set up "my forums" --
Jan
Pending Book

I wish my pending book would go away. I mailed this book, reminded three times, and the person on the other end is possibly inactive. Not visited for over 97 days. But my pending book just stays there annoying me.
Rita

rita2crows
3 years ago
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(3 years ago)Hey, Thanks Heather!! Rita
rita2crows
New book Browse Topic listing?

Is it possible to add a Poetry book topic to the browsing list? The Literature and Fiction topic is huge, of course, and searching for "poems," "poetry" and what not are a clunky way to try to pull out those books for browsing.

Thanks,

Fred
4 years ago
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Go to oldest message in this forum

I would like a quick link to the oldest message. As forum administrator for the very active angel request forum, trying to clean out older messages is really trying when you have to scroll through numerous pages.


It would also be great if there was a button for “DELETE AND MOVE TO NEXT OLDEST MESSAGE” or some such. The “RETURN TO FORUM” button takes you right back to the most recent message.

Jenni Canuck
4 years ago
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Add "UPDATED" column to the Forums Table

I would like to see a sortable "UPDATED" column included in the Forums table which would show the date and/or time of the last message/comment. It would make it so much easier to scan recent messages/comments and will become more and more relevant as forum usage continues to grow.

If there is a limit to the number of columns, for me at least, the UPDATED info would be far more useful than the forum creation date.

Thanks, John, for the time and effort you put into this never-ending project. Your labour of love is very much appreciated.

Lola Soleil
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)If you go to "your forums" and choose "show 7 days of activity" this does pretty much the same thing. http://bookmooch.com/m/forums?ago=7&sort=-2 You can use that view to see what forums you belong too have new postings. -john
John Buckman
(4 years ago)I would like to see that too... Or just a column mentioning when the last post was made to that forum....
Ann v.Roy
Published writers

I love the writers' forum on here, but don't you guys think it'd be great to have a separate "I Just Got Published" forum? I'm not published, but I think if I did get published, I'd want to share it with people who care on the Internet (ie: people who like to read) so maybe they'd buy my book (or at least mooch it). I'd definitely support any published writers on this site!

Rebecca N. McKinnon
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)Hi Rebecca, You can easily create any forum you would like to see here. From your "Your Forums" screen simply select "Create a new forum" from the drop-down menu on the right. Then follow the prompts. It's easy. If you don't like what you've done, it's just as easy to change or delete the forum, also using the menus on the right. Good luck! Jon
Jon Maloney
Link to the general index on all forum pages ?

So far I've only found backtracking or going through my Member Home, so if there could be such a link ?

Aude
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)If I understand what you're looking for, it's already there. Select All Forums from the dropdown list on the right. Jon
Jon Maloney
Would like a choice for displaying all forum messages where I have posted or answered

This would help me with the Angel mooches.

Debbi Higginbotham
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)Never mind! I found it!
Debbi Higginbotham
Bug report: forum comments were not sent by email

I noticed a strange bug when browsing John's official "BookMooch blog" forum: I had received John's "Downtime fun" message itself by email, but the comments people had made to it were not sent to me.

I unsubscribed from receiving the forum by email and resubscribed back. Let's see if that corrects the issue.

Taneli T

Taneli T
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)This is probably a "mis-feature" on my part. Specifically, I thought that "blogs" should be treated differently from "open discussions" and that people would want to receive only the main topics via email in blogs, but in open discussions, they'd receive topics and comments. However, given how the forums are actually being used, I think this is not very helpful, so I'll change the email feature for blogs to send all topics and comments, just like open discussions do.
John Buckman
(4 years ago)One thing that's probably different about the BookMooch Blog forum from most of the forums here, is that it is probably set up to only let the forum's creator post messages. Anyone can post comments, but not messages. I wonder if that could affect the email subscription process? Jon
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)Thanks Rob and Jon for making a comment in the Downtime fun thread. I received none of them in my inbox (and they're not in my spam folder either), so indeed this seems to be a genuine bug that affects either that specific thread or the BookMooch Blog forum as a whole. Unsubscribing and resubscribing to that forum doesn't fix it.
Taneli T
(4 years ago)I made a reply earlier, but so far have had nothing in my inbox.
Rob
(4 years ago)I had the same problem. I commented on John's original message and was surprised that no one else made any comments. Then I discovered all the comments online, but I had not received any of them by email. My ISP doesn't filter my mail for spam and I was receiving comments from other BookMooch forums by email, so I assumed I wasn't subscribed for some reason. I went to the forum and tried to subscribe, but my option was to stop receiving emails from the forum, which meant I was subscribed. Your posts indicate there is a problem affecting at least three of us. I'll make a post in the Downtime Fun thread. Jon
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)Oh, good Rob, I'm not the only one. Now we just need someone to post a new comment to that thread: Downtime fun I'd hate to leave just a plain "test comment" just to see if the problem was fixed. Have to think of something... Taneli T
Taneli T
(4 years ago)I had the same thing Taneli. I'd be interested to hear if that sorts out your problem. Rob
Rob
View Message Titles Only

I'd like a way to list only the message titles in a forum so that I can quickly select a message that interests me based on its title, and only after I've clicked the title (or perhaps an expansion button beside it) see the full message text.

As time goes by there will be more and more messages and it will become increasingly valuable to have a message overview page. The longer the forums are in existence the more important it will be to be able to browse around and read old threads that look interesting. I think a way to view only message titles would help facilitate that.

I may be trying to use the forums in a way they weren't meant to be used though. Perhaps they are intended for immediacy rather than for occasional browsing.

Jon

Jon Maloney
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)On the topic of why people may not be using the forums: I for one find the new format head-scratchingly weird. The old forums may have been slllloooooowwww, but at least I understood them and could read the threads. Here everything's odd - there are two different sizes of fonts, threads are sorted most recent comment first, except for the initial post (??), there are way too many top-level categories. I have attempted to soldier on several times and each time I come away frustrated and with the feeling that it's not worth my time. I'm no computer newb, either. If the features work for the majority of users, then, of course, ignore my comments. I will still be a happy bookmoocher, just bummed that the forums are so ineffable.
LauraTS
(4 years ago)
  I admit I've been surprised at how relatively few people seem to be posting. Doesn't BookMooch have about 170,000 members now? I wonder what percentage has consciously looked at and decided not to use the new forums?
Yes, BM has about 20,000 people log in every day. I like to think that the forums are fairly obvious to find and it's not that hard to comment on an existing message. The relatively low amount of participation in forums (still, it's over 100 msgs/day, not shabby) is due to --- I'm guessing --- that people are at BM to trade books, and every darned site has forums, it's overwhelming, and most people just want to get on with the main task and move on. I'm also guessing that there will be "killer apps" that use the forums for new things, that I never guessed. For example, the "angel requests" are working very nicely on the new forums, and they're very active.

John Buckman
(4 years ago)Thanks for noticing the old link, I'd forgotten about it. Will fix today.
John Buckman
(4 years ago)It looks like the Forums link from the Member Home page goes to the new forums. It looks like the Forums link from the About page and from the Site Map go to the old forums. Jon
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)
 John Buckman said, "There currently is a "show all recent messages (hide comments)" pull down option, that does condense things a bit. If I understand you correctly, you'd like a pull down menu option that reads: "show all recent messages (only show titles)" Right?"
Yes, that would be good, or default to listing only titles to facilitate browsing and let people select a pull-down menu option to see message text, or message text and comments. I guess it depends on how most people would like to use the forum. I'm aware of my forums and use them. I can't speak for others, but I suspect few people understand the relationships between: my forums, receiving a forum by email, joining a forum, being a member of a forum, and administering a forum. People were so dissatisfied with the old forums that I expected an explosion of participants on the new forums. I admit I've been surprised at how relatively few people seem to be posting. Doesn't BookMooch have about 170,000 members now? I wonder what percentage has consciously looked at and decided not to use the new forums? I wonder what percentage is oblivious? How are members who didn't see or follow the links announcing the new forums expected to become aware of them, by trying the forums link again (or for the first time)? Do you have usage stats on the new forums -- viewers? members? posters? One concern I have is the ease of use for new BookMoochers, or long-time members just now discovering the forums. When a newcomer reads down the long list of forums and clicks one, what should he see? Is it more helpful for him to see the latest message and its comments, several messages without comments, or a list of message titles? Jon

Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)Also, it occurred to me that the "your forums" page kind of does what you ask for already. It shows you just the titles for recent posts, and you can click to jump to any particular title which interests you. Does everyone here know about "your forums" ? I've put a lot of work into making that the launchpad for using the forums at BM.
John Buckman
(4 years ago)There currently is a "show all recent messages (hide comments)" pull down option, that does condense things a bit. If I understand you correctly, you'd like a pull down menu option that reads: "show all recent messages (only show titles)" Right?
John Buckman
(4 years ago)Jon Maloney wrote:
 Each new person who joins BookMooch and each long-time BookMoocher who discovers the forum link and follows it, needs to be able to browse around the forums and easily read old threads.
Yes, I agree with this too. Viewing messages inside a forum compactly by title would be a good additional option to have. Taneli T's inventory (worldwide)

Taneli T
(4 years ago)This thread was hijacked from the very first comment. :-) Everyone expressed their desire to receive posts by email, which is fine, but it has nothing to do with online viewing capabilities. Regardless of how email subscriptions work, the forums are online and need to be accessible online, both to newcomers and to regulars who don't want to use the forum by email. Each new person who joins BookMooch and each long-time BookMoocher who discovers the forum link and follows it, needs to be able to browse around the forums and easily read old threads. Even the users who want to subscribe to everything need to be able to read the posts that were made before they subscribed. John may have already changed something in this regard. I went to a forum page and noticed it only showed the messages without the comments. Thanks John, if I'm correctly noticing the change. Jon
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)Hi guys. I agree with Emily, Rob, Margot and Melissa: I too prefer getting every message of every forum, including from forums created in the future, by email. It's very easy to go through my inbox and see what people are writing about versus trying to find new forums and messages amongst the new forum structure. Having that link in the email pointing to the post's location in the forum structure also makes it relatively easy to reply using the website. Taneli T's inventory (worldwide)
Taneli T
(4 years ago)I am sometimes too tired to know where I am. Feature Requests, of course, is for BookMooch. This is where John reads about the Forum. Which is up and running, again. Thanks, John.
Nicholas
(4 years ago)At least, I'm going to re-post when I can get on the server. All I'm getting now are server errors.
Nicholas
(4 years ago)Not in a minority, Rob. I also liked the old forum. As you say, like belonging to a Yahoo group. Obviously, though, this format is more popular since there seems to me to be a lot more activity. And like you, Emily, I want to read (almost) everything. I don't like having my friends split apart. Where are you, PapaG? I can accomplish this with email. But I didn't sign up to each forum as it was created, so I have to go back and pick up the others. Then there are the new ones. . . I'm going to suggest an All Forums subscribe button to John. I can filter the ones I don't want into trash. Or maybe there could be a no-email button on each forum, so the system would filter. I don't feel like these forums are forums. They are topics on the BookMooch forum. At most, I'd split the forums into (1) STICKIES: Postings that explain how to use the forums and other Admin stuff (Newbie info and directions to Angel network could be here); (2) FORUM DESIGN; (3) BM FEATURE REQUESTS; (these last 2 separated for John's convenience); ANGEL NETWORK (for discussion of how the network operates or whatever, not for Angel requests); and (5) DISCUSSION. I'm going to repost the message on Feature Requests and see what happens. Join me there?
Nicholas
(4 years ago)I also like to get /everything/ in my inbox. For me working with email is far quicker, and fits in with my general work flow, than clicking through to the forum and browsing the threads. I also need to check if any new forums have been created that I need to subscribe to. I immediately know which messages are new, I can quickly delete any that hold no interest to me. If only I could post by email then I'd be a very happy camper! Not that I'm against change or anything, but I really liked the old forum. I didn’t /use/ it as a forum, in fact I cannot remember the last time I actually visited the main forum pages. I used it solely as an email list and with that in mind as a purpose it worked perfectly. I'm probably in the minority that I find working with email and a keyboard more productive than working with a forum and a mouse. R
Rob
(4 years ago)Margot, That works great for the forums you're subscribed to, but surely you don't want to receive every message and every comment from every forum by email. I think there needs to be a way to browse the forums online that's less cumbersome than the current ways I've tried. Just go to All Forums online, select a forum with a bunch of messages, and try to find messages that interest you to see what I mean. Jon
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)I like your idea as an option, Jon, but just in case: Getting e-mails pretty much does that for me. I'm on gmail and have a separate label/section for BookMooch. I can skim the headers and delete what doesn't interest me. I can read a message and reply through the Reply button. If I want more information or background, I click on "Read," which takes me to the thread on the forum.
Nicholas
Suggestion: enable filtering messages (posted by me only / by any member)

What I mean, it would be very useful to be able to see only the messages posted by me in a forum. Now, if I want to find some older post I have to go through all the pages in some forum.

This would be most useful for people posting to Angel mooches and Inventory deals forums, because when an angel mooch is completed or a deal's time is over, you have to delete it. It would be much faster if I could see only my own posts.

Also, if it's not too complicated, there could be an option to filter messages by any member, just by their BM id.

Dovile
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)Thanks for pointing this out to me!
Dovile
(4 years ago)Dovile, There's already a way to do what you're asking. Here are the steps. 1. Go to the bio page of the member you want to see. The easiest way to do that is to click on their name or picture in the forum. Or if elsewhere in BookMooch, you can go to Browse, members, and then search by their email address or BookMooch name. To see your own bio page you can go to Member Home, Account, Bio. 2. At the bottom of the bio page is a link called More Forum Info. Click it. 3. You'll see a list of all the forums you've posted in with a link to just your posts beside it. You can read your posts using those links. I just discovered an easier way John has included for finding your own posts. 1. Click "Your Forums" in the pull-down menu on the right. 2. On the "Your Forums" page click "Your Forum Messages" in the pull-down menu on the right. Jon
Jon Maloney
new forum feature: move a message to another forum

Forum administrators now have the ability to move a message (and all its comments) from one forum to another.

This feature is most helpful when a message thread starts on a forum which really is better served on another forum.

A friendly email is automatically sent to the message author letting them know that the forum message was moved.

Note that there already exists a feature where a forum administrator can "upgrade" any comment into a full message, when a comment is deemed substantive enough to merit its own conversation.

John Buckman
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)I experimented with the message-moving feature a few days ago. I had been posting my unfamiliar word lists in general discussion and decided to collect them into their own forum. The feature worked great. Thanks. Jon
Jon Maloney
Should a new comment bump the topic back to the top of the forum list?

Erm... that's pretty much it. Default sort by last comment posted time, rather than thread created time.

It can be quite hard to notice and find topics in which current discussion is taking place without email notifications.

Rob

Rob
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)I just wrote:
 the topic does not seem to jump on top in the forum page.
Oops, seems like I was a bit impatient. I see now that the topic does jump on top in the forum page, but there's a noticeable delay, taking some minutes, before it happens.

Taneli T
(4 years ago)John Buckman wrote:
 That's how it works now: threads are sorted by the "most recent activity", whether that be the original posted date or the date of the most recent comment.
Umm... maybe there's a bug, since commenting to an older topic does not seem to change the sorting order of topics within a forum. Like Rob noticed, the topic does not seem to jump on top in the forum page. Taneli T's inventory (worldwide)

Taneli T
(4 years ago)Probably a good idea -- "bumping" threads to the top of the display based on the most recent comments is pretty typical behavior for the phpBB forums many users may be familiar with, and makes it very easy to find and start reading the most active conversations. This would also be a step towards the possible use of "sticky" posts, as discussed elsewhere, permanently at the top of a forum as a sign of their "New here? Read this first!" importance, which is also something comfortable and intuitively familiar to users with a phpBB forum background.
Miss Smilla
(4 years ago)Ok, well that comment I just made has made no different to the thread ordering on the page. This topic is still 4th in the list even though it has the most recent comment. Have I misunderstood how this aspect is supposed to work? Is there perhaps a time delay in the sorting? Rob
Rob
(4 years ago)
 That's how it works now: threads are sorted by the "most recent activity", whether that be the original posted date or the date of the most recent comment.
That's weird. I could have sworn items with recent comments were lower down the page. Lets see if this comment bumps the whole thread above those that have been posted today... Rob

Rob
(4 years ago)Hopefully, you'll find the new format of the forums much easier to read, and to catch up on forums you're following.
John Buckman
(4 years ago)I thought that, too. I don't always have time to look through every forum to see where the discussion is taking place. Maybe instead of listing the date created on the all forums page, list the date of the last post? That would let me know at a glance exactly where the action is. :^) Jenny :^)
Jenny
(4 years ago)Great, thanks John!
Hercules40 (a.k.a. PapaG)
(4 years ago)That's how it works now: threads are sorted by the "most recent activity", whether that be the original posted date or the date of the most recent comment. In other words, a recent comment pops a thread to the top. As to this comment: It can be quite hard to notice and find topics in which current discussion is taking place without email notifications. I completely agree, and will be changing the way the main forum page works for members, so that it's easy to keep up to date on what you missed since your last visit. Should be available in the next few days... -j
John Buckman
Suggestion: Email me when someone mentions me in forum

Now that it's possible to place BookMooch user id's in brackets and create links to our own and to other users' bios easily - like this: Taneli T - it would be useful if I got an email of a message every time someone mentions me this way, regardless of whether I subscribe that particular forum or thread by email or not.

This way, I could easily notice a discussion that concerns me and participate in it if I wanted. Otherwise I might never come across a discussion that might interest me too. Thanks!

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Taneli T
4 years ago
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forums don't work on ubuntu

the forum seem to be O.K. for Mac but doesnt read or upload in UBUNTU linux.
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your right---- i had to add java codeing to get it working.....its an older system.

computers arghh! it loads now.

thanks much

Miles

what it was doing before was bringing up a URL of page not found.
now it brings up the page and all the content. Ubuntu software search of free codeings and gave me an upgrade that switched it. now everything loads great! thanks everybody.

fiddle 1
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)Just to let you know, I'm on Ubuntu Linux and the forums work fine.
Nicholas
(4 years ago)Can you say more? In what do they not work on your Ubuntu linux system?
John Buckman
new: "your forums" page totally redone

The "your forums" and "all forums" pages have been completely redone.

Most importantly, these pages now track when you last visited the forums and only display what's new since then. This should make it much easier to keep up to date with "your forums"

For example, if you visited two days ago, only forum statistics for the past 2 days are show. You can change "XX days" choice with the pulldown menu to view any number of past days.

The "your forums" page
http://bookmooch.com/m/forums
now displays in tabular form:

1) number of comments on that forum in the past XX days
2) number of messages on that forum in the past XX days
3) the subject lines of those new messages, each linked to the full message itself

The "all forums" page
http://bookmooch.com/m/forums_all
now displays

1) the number of comments on that forum in the past XX days
2) the number of messages on that forum in the past XX days
3) the date it was created in "3 days ago" format, rather than a hard-to-read date.

Note that when you change the "XX days" ago on the pulldown, it is remembered across all these pages, even when you visit later that day:
1) your forums
2) all forums
3) all "recent messages" pages

John Buckman
4 years ago
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as requested: photo/username in forums links to bios

As requested on this forum, I've changed what happens when you click on a BookMooch user name or photo.

You used to go to a "forum statistics" page for that user. People didn't find that helpful.

Now, you are directed to that member's bio page.

If you still want to see their forum statistics, there is a link to that on their bio page.

John Buckman
4 years ago
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as requested: comments in a thread are sorted oldest first

As discussed on this forum, I've changed the way comments are displayed.

On the "recent messages" overview page, comments continue to be shown in a "newest comment first" fashion.

However, if you click on the _comments_ link on a message, all the comments are displayed, and they're displayed in their original (oldest first) order, which makes it much easier to follow the conversation.

John Buckman
4 years ago
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new forum feature: email me replies to this message

When you write a new message, there is now a checkbox option that reads:
(X) Email me replies to this message

A similar checkbox now appears on the "leave a comment" box:
(X) Receive this thread by email

If you check this option, you'll receive email copies of replies (aka comments) to your message, and only your message. You'll also receive a link in each email to optionally stop the emails (unsubscribe)

This feature strikes me as very handy when you don't want to receive all the email from a forum, but do want to hear back about your particular question.

Note: this option does not appear if you are set to receive all emails from the forum.

You can also choose to receive/stop email for a thread from the pulldown menu when ready any message thread.

John Buckman
4 years ago
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sort order and bio page link gone

Ick, yes...some people who are used to "top-quoting" email defaults in clients like Lotus Notes or Outlook may like this newest-first comment sort, but I'm another one who hates it -- it breaks up the logical question/comment-and-response order. Personally I'd prefer the old order, but if you can make the sort toggleable so folks who do prefer reverse order can also sort messages the way they like, that might be best.

As for the switch to usernames/icons now linking to forum stats rather than the user's bio page -- that's also suboptimal for my usage patterns. I've mostly clicked on those wanting to see a user's bio, inventory, or wishlist because they sounded like interesting people I might want to friend, had similar tastes so I wanted to see if they had anything good to Mooch, etc.; seeing how active they are on the forums really isn't terribly useful or interesting to me. Two possible ideas -- perhaps you could simply add the forum stats to the bottom of the bio page, and link everything at once that way? Alternately, right now both the username and usericon are clickable, and take you to the same forum stats page. Perhaps instead of the redundant links, pick one of those items to link to the bio page and use the other to link to the forum stats page? (You might need to put in a default "NO USERPIC" placeholder icon for folks who don't have one of their own uploaded to make it a little more visually obvious that there's something clickable there in the photo column, of course...)

Miss Smilla
4 years ago
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(4 years ago)Thanks, John!
Jon Maloney
(4 years ago)
 some people who are used to "top-quoting" email defaults in clients like Lotus Notes or Outlook may like this newest-first comment sort, but I'm another one who hates it -- it breaks up the logical question/comment-and-response order. Personally I'd prefer the old order
I'm changing it so that: - in the overview, the newest comments are displayed first - if you click on the thread comments link, that page shows you comments in oldest-first order. Hopefully that combination (overview shows newest first, detail shows conversation order) will be seen as an improvement.
 As for the switch to usernames/icons now linking to forum stats rather than the user's bio page -- that's also suboptimal for my usage patterns.
I'm still tinkering with that, I and I can see where seeing what forums someone is active on isn't all that interesting. I like your suggestion of making the person's name/photo link to their bio, and putting a link to their forum stats from the bio. That's probably what I'll go for.

John Buckman
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