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re: International mooches now 3 points

They're definitely not successful, but my understanding is that they are still included in the mooch statistics...

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: International mooches now 3 points

The much larger issue that will definitely skew the results will be due to those members who are totally disillusioned and fed up. Those who plan to use up all their points as fast as they reasonably can (whether domestic or international) and then close their accounts and leave BookMooch for good. There have been a number of members already indicate that this is their intention.

There is no way that TPTB can separate these international mooches from those of continuing members, so any "results" that transpire after the three months are up will need to be interpreted with that in mind.

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Coming: 3 point intl mooches

You are SO right, Zjanette.

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Charitable Fund for Angels

Thanks for that explanation marmalade, it is an indirect connection.
Yes, you do have a long way to go, and as you send more internationally than you mooch I can't see it being a problem. Could be more of an issue for the non-US Angels I guess (of which I am one). :-)

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Charitable Fund for Angels

But the extra points will also mess with our ratios.

Sorry, have I missed something here? How can extra points given/smooched/charitied to you affect your ratio, when the ratio is purely the result of the 'ratio points' from books mooched over the 'ratio points' from books sent?

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Coming: 3 point intl mooches

Of course you won't believe me, and I don't even know if you'll read this John, but this change will in no way help to increase international mooching.

People may list more, people may be keen to send more internationally, but the bottom line is that this will make less people mooch books internationally.

And without a request, there can't be a send.

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Followup 2: intl mooch ratio change

You are correct, someone wanting to scam BM could do this. However, I have to strike a balance between preventing potential scams and mistakenly preventing honest people from doing things that are quite reasonable.

Ah . . . so NOW we are getting closer to the reasoning behind this ratio change. It is to try to reduce the international scammers, and those of us who mooch internationally on a regular basis are the ones who will be ‘paying’ for this new security measure by means of our mooch ratio.

John, in a previous thread you stated:
I've received many emails from people who have noticed that certain users have hugely imbalanced mooch/give numbers. Often, they would be mooching hugely more books than they were giving. They'd be mooching and giving internationally, but with the old ratio system, you could give as few as 20 books internationally, and receive 120 books internationally (2:1 ratio at a 3x bonus point).

Well you can't do that now of course, but you CAN still give as few as 20 books internationally, and receive 120 books domestically (2:1 ratio at a 3x bonus point).

So the imbalance is still there, the inconsistency is still there . . . only now the only people who can take advantage of it are those in countries with a large member base and a very large volume of books, so that they have no trouble finding what they want domestically. In other words, the good ol' US of A!!

In your original post on this thread you stated:
That didn't seem right, so I added the concept of a "mooch ratio" so that BookMooch is mostly about #1 above (you send a book, you get a book), with an incentive to add books to your inventory, but a limit of "2 books received for 1 sent" no matter what you do to earn points.

So now it works for some and not for others. Once again members in non US countries are disadvantaged.

And again: So, the current ratio seems like it will work well in preventing actual abuse we see but allowing enough leeway so that honest people can go about doing what they do.

The 'honest' people in the US can go on mooching six domestically for one sent internationally, whereas the rest of us who are forced to mooch internationally have obviously been bordering on abusing the system and must be curbed!

Frankly John, as well as being grossly inequitable, I find this insulting.

And don't tell me I can also mooch six books domestically for every one sent internationally, because I can't. They are just not available. If you do not understand this, you understand nothing about your own site.

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Coming: 3 point intl mooches

NO, definitely NO to altering it from three months to one month. Please honour your initial stance, John. There are many reasons, most of which have already been mentioned above.

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Followup 2: intl mooch ratio change

Amy W
I understand the numbers. :-)

I was replying to John B's post referring to how this new ratio change will prevent the scammers running off with six books after only sending one. His example was to do with sending one internationally and how they can no longer mooch six books internationally before they run off. But they can still mooch six books domesticaly and then run off.

Is there a concrete difference between books from 'elsewhere' and books from with our own countries? Is it somehow OK to run off with six domestic books, but not with six international books???

crimson-tide
13 years ago
re: Followup 2: intl mooch ratio change

After the mooch ratio change, this kind of behavior isn't possible. The "worst" a dishonest person can do is receive 2 books internationally, after having only sent 1.

But what prevents them sending one internationally and receiving 6 from within their own country?

crimson-tide
13 years ago
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